Religion

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Hi, wuts dis?

8. 1280 BC - Egyption Book of the Dead describes a god named Horus,s on
of the god Osiris, born to a virgin mother, baptized in a river, later
beheaded, tempted in the desert like Jesus, healed the sick, fixed the
blind, walked on water, raised the dead, had 12 disciples, crucified,
and resurrected after 3 days.

I know the video and author you took this from.
But I've read this is not true (as are some other things in his videos) - can you find out the exact egyptian quotes for the matter as a proof and name of the source?
I've been studying those subjects for long time, but never met most of this. Especially 12 disciples, walking on water, crucifiction, fixing the blind etc......
Those seem to be urban legends, one must really be carefull and read the source quotes.

Religion is one big fat urban legend. None of us know what really went on back then, it has been well documented and all, but who knows, several Semitic scholars, drunken Italian monks, biased Protestant priests etc. etc. may have suited the religious writings for their own benefit or made it sound good. Trust nothing.

I just realized this...

The problem with, say, Christianity is this: If you are 100% sure that me, being an agnostic atheist, will go to hell and suffer an eternal hell, you must be obligated to get be away from the path that leads me to hell. If you don't, you are morally bankrupt because you don't think using up time in your life is worth it to save me from eternal suffering. That, of you don't really believe in god and hell. So by logic, all real, non-morally bankrupt Christians must spread their word and do all they can to convince people. This is by nature, like a virus.

Catholics suck. I mean, just look at southern Europe, the state it has been in for so long. And all the Spanish sphere of influence countries. I mean really. And why is it that all the silly billies get all the good weather? Wotsupwiddat, huh??

The weather isn't that much different, and warm weather is overrated anyways.

Listen, I wouldn't mind if the temperatures ranged from 15 to 25 celsius all year round. Don't you worry your Dutch ass about that!

SIGH... just found out that religion insanity took a few of my friends.

Can you explain in more detail what happenned to your friends? What relligion are they?

Catholic, the religion that has caused so much pain over history.

They are victims of the brainwashing subjected to them in their upbringing. They are "Christians" but they are not, they will as if there is no omnipotent space daddy watching over then, but they will occasionally do things to lie to themselves, to convince themselves that they are "Christians". Regardless of religion, they will continue to do good and bad things. But they will never be swayed by reason and logic to disavow this fake god. And I can't discuss, or shit will hit the fucking fan. It's yet another thing to add to the pile of compromises I must make to myself and for others, or I'll be sitting here alone all day. I know not everybody is a free-thinker like me or care to; I don't particularly have an inclination to make them want to debate about... politics. But to believe such a profound claim about life without evidence proves their stupidity. It's a sad fact: They are victims. The world, too.

Not going to talk further about this, but let me sum it up:

Religion is bullshit, and I hope it dies.

Ronwolf and Chokster, question:

If it's the environments that cause a person to be gay, wouldn't it be strange if they came from a straight family surrounded by straight friends? So either their straight parents are teaching them to be gay, or that doesn't make sense. This idea that homosexuality is a learned behavior is complete BS. For most it implies it is a behaviour that can be un-learned, which is where the gay cure cracks come in.

I never said homosexuality was something that was taught, but I do believe environment has an influence on the decision to stay in the closet/pretend to be heterosexual. You don't see many homosexuals in commercials etc., so if you're the observing type you know that it isn't 'the norm', even if it's only implied/never stated out loud. Doesn't change if you're homosexual or not, but changes the way you handle it. If it's a nature/nurture thing is something only science can provide an answer for. I personally believe it's nature, but we don't know for sure.

I agree 100 % with Ron. Environment is everything.

Well if Ron is saying that environment plays a large role in deciding to stay in the closet, I agree. But I don't think environment has a large effect on whether they become homosexual in the first place.

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That is almost as dicked up as the qur'an.

That's pretty dickish.

Buddhism is the (seemingly - I could be wrong) only religion not to cause a war or death/destruction. But it's a hippie magnet... Still, Buddhists get slaughtered by Muslims in Bangladesh and the whole East Asian continent, as well as Communists back in the days Soviet Union. So indirectly, they seemingly cause hatred, brought on by two of the most bigoted assholes of people still roaming this Earth free and flowing.

I can't think of any wars Buddhism has caused, but it's not that different from other religions in the way that the religion supposedly contains an 'absolute truth' that goes in the face of intellectual progress. The absolute truth in this case is said by one man, and then there are interpreters of this truth - which grants them power because they hold the key to the truth. Buddha supposedly laughed on his deathbed at his disciples for supposing he was immortal.

So Buddha was the first 'open source' prophet?

All prophets are basically.

Really? I thought it was the other way around. No one but the "prophet" can add to the sacred written words.

Most religions rely on interpretation, in a way that is most positive for the person interpretating.

Hitler is not a Christian. Hitler and Himmler were religious cult leaders. Himmler patterned the SS after the Juduewit order which was the Catholic Church. The Juduewit order is not a christian organization because they endorsed the killing of protestants. I am a protestant Christian. Obama is not a christian. He made a statement that there should be no future for those who slander the prophet of Islam. Obama comes across as a muslim.

He isn't, people really need to get over that.

I think it's hard to say. As the non-Christian, how do I judge who is a Christian and who isn't? By what they claim to be. Otherwise, other Christians can simply say the 'Christians' that did anything bad were not really Christians.
I believe a religion in India, Janism or something like that, is even more extreme on the 'non-violence' thing.

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Good stuff.

"One last point: Something CAN come from nothing. Go study quantum mechanics."

Actually they never say this. Scientists are just starting to understand what neutrinos are and how they fit into our universe. Even the smallest particle has some sort of mass but particles like neutrinos are NOT measurable by our current technology level. (Not to the point where they are fully understood) If you dig deep enough into theories like the big bang and the many others, the proprietors of such theories will admit before our universe existed something actually did even if only a minuscule amount of cosmic gas or protons.

For example even if you erase a hard drive the information doesn't cease to exist it just is reset back to 0. The bigger question is what provided the spark that started the reaction? Some think of this entity as god I prefer to think of the entire universe as a living entity. It exists outside of time itself and possibly lives out experiences through each of us. Sounds a bit far fetched but it gives us a reason for being here. We are the living embodiment of the universe! Sounds pretty fancy.

As for homosexuals/transgenders you are simply born that way. Science has proved that a portion of individuals born male are born with a female brain and vice versa. It's not a choice or life style. If you are perverse then that's a separate issue altogether. The real question is if we had the technology to ensure all fetuses could be healthy and free of unwanted traits should we mettle with such things? Thus ensuring people cannot be born this way. This is not a genocidal attitude toward the matter but a serious question we must ask ourselves. Although we have come a long way as far as tolerance this world is a difficult enough place, if given the choice would you chose to ensure your offspring was born straight? As we continue ahead technology will continue to solve problems and create new ones in the wake of humanities evolution or destruction.

This story of our creation makes a lot more sense than the bible and is a billion times more entertaining:
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Small particles can pop in and out of existence. Even if it has nothing to do with the big bang, it shows how people start acting like they are scientists when they know nothing. I don't claim to be able to disprove big bang, I'm not that arrogant. Big bang is an expansion event though, if I'm correct.

Today I debated with two people, had to unfriend them on Facebook. When Christians lose, they get mad, change the topic from them getting owned to me being "rude".

I cannot prove nor disprove the big bang either but again the greater question here is what lit the spark?

How can you measure nothing? Show me proof of how something can magically appear from nothing. That goes against every law within our physical realm as we currently understand it. If a particle exists within a different dimension of space or time it still may have a tiny impact on other realities.

Religion is a narrow minded concept developed to control people's beliefs which in turn generates income for the organizations that defend this archaic system. It simply comes down to Power and Greed.

If you have a Netflix account I suggest you watch this movie below. Just because I choose to follow no formal religion or believe in prophets does not mean I do not believe in a god entity. However my views on the subject are scientific in nature and do not acknowledge such things as divinity.

Zeitgeist: The Movie
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Hi Darrell!

I am open to stem cell research, but I must admit there is something screwy about the whole subject. But the further we come, the better. There will always be enough people to veto if everything should turn out all Brave New World (though I would LOVE to live in a world without bugs).

Chokster37 wrote:

NostalgicAlgorithms wrote:As for homosexuals/transgenders you are simply born that way. Science has proved that a portion of individuals born male are born with a female brain and vice versa. It's not a choice or life style. If you are perverse then that's a separate issue altogether. The real question is if we had the technology to ensure all fetuses could be healthy and free of unwanted traits should we mettle with such things? Thus ensuring people cannot be born this way. This is not a genocidal attitude toward the matter but a serious question we must ask ourselves. Although we have come a long way as far as tolerance this world is a difficult enough place, if given the choice would you chose to ensure your offspring was born straight? As we continue ahead technology will continue to solve problems and create new ones in the wake of humanities evolution or destruction.

Are you really that stupid? I can choose to like or to be attracted to whatever/whoever I want. If you really think you can "genetically mutate everyone's brain to like the same things" you don't understand humans. That's just as ridiculous as saying you can make everyone like greek pizza and hate hawaiian pizza.

Disagree. I can't choose to believe something all of my mind, because on the back of my mind I know it's forced. I can't choose to want to have sex with guys. I simply don't find it suitable for me. And I don't think you can related sexual preference with pizza type.

How about you have sex with a guy, and enjoy it and orgasm, because 'you chose to'?
I find it pretty ridiculous to say, gay guys choose to be gay. That's how you get people that go to therapy to 'fix the gay' or 'pray away the gay'. Why do most females given the choice prefer having sex with males? Is it fully, 100% up to their rational thinking mind? No, females don't lust for a guy because they know it is what is required to reproduce for the survival of the species. Their primal desires come through. From where? Our brains. Our brains from where? Our genetics. Stands to reason that when a guy's brain is altered, they could end up wanting guys instead.

To say your sexual orientation is as mundane and simple as picking out your favorite type of pizza is false.

Hi Jerome!

Chokster37 wrote:

Dark_wizzie wrote:Disagree. I can't choose to believe something all of my mind, because on the back of my mind I know it's forced. I can't choose to want to have sex with guys. I simply don't find it suitable for me. And I don't think you can related sexual preference with pizza type.

You're not using all of your mind then (the back, specifically).

Dark_wizzie wrote:To say your sexual orientation is as mundane and simple as picking out your favorite type of pizza is false.

I agree. Picking out favorite pizza types is serious business, that shouldn't be taken as lightly as trivial "human sexual orientation".

That doesn't really defend you position, but ok.

Chokster37 wrote:

NostalgicAlgorithms wrote:As for homosexuals/transgenders you are simply born that way. Science has proved that a portion of individuals born male are born with a female brain and vice-versa. It's not a choice or life style. If you are perverse then that's a separate issue altogether. The real question is if we had the technology to ensure all fetuses could be healthy and free of unwanted traits should we mettle with such things? Thus ensuring people cannot be born this way. This is not a genocidal attitude toward the matter but a serious question we must ask ourselves. Although we have come a long way as far as tolerance this world is a difficult enough place, if given the choice would you chose to ensure your offspring was born straight? As we continue ahead technology will continue to solve problems and create new ones in the wake of humanities evolution or destruction.

Are you really that stupid? I can choose to like or to be attracted to whatever/whoever I want. If you really think you can "genetically mutate everyone's brain to like the same things" you don't understand humans. That's just as ridiculous as saying you can make everyone like greek pizza and hate hawaiian pizza.

Nobodies intelligence is in question here? Genetically mutations? Like the Xmen? If your brain can't wrap itself around the science I'm referring to then I suggest you watch the movie Gattaca. Such technology will be feesible in the future.

If you ask someone who is gay they will agree they were born that way but may have not always acknowledged their feelings. It's a simple matter of biology. You either are or you are not? A persons gene's have more effect on who or what they are more than anything. If you disagree I suggest you take some basic biology/psychology/social science classes because your attitude suggests you know very little on such subjects. Yes you can choose to do whatever you like but your choices are dictated by a little device called "your brain".

The big pitfall of society was believing that deviant behavior is a symptom of being gay. Often people may not realize who they really are until later in life, people are not always honest with themselves or are afraid of social repercussions over being different. That's nothing new! The questions still remains if we had the technology to perfect the human condition should we me meddling with such things?

I'll take my pizza with Anchovies because that's my choice.... LOL

Hi Leo!

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Debating religion is like playing chess with a chicken. No matter how good you are, the chicken will shit all over the board and strut around like it won.

There are religious people, and there are religious people that don't care billions of people go to hell. Those are most full of shit, short of the extremist.

LOL chess with a chicken... Indeed... Admire you for trying though.

Chokster37 wrote:

NostalgicAlgorithms wrote:If you ask someone who is gay they will agree they were born that way but may have not always acknowledged their feelings. It's a simple matter of biology. You either are or you are not? A persons gene's have more effect on who or what they are more than anything. If you disagree I suggest you take some basic biology/psychology/social science classes because your attitude suggests you know very little on such subjects. Yes you can choose to do whatever you like but your choices are dictated by a little device called "your brain".

I think you need to get out more. Go to some gay/lesbian/mixed bars and meet some new people. People are not as "black and white" and "set in their ways" as you think. There are many reasons people choose to like the things they do. Positive and negative experiences and social influences change how people approach situations, and that doesn't mean they weren't any less of a "real" person before. Maybe someone decided to become a lesbian because they were tired of their past heterosexual relationships, or tired of people like you who pretend like you know them when you really don't. Humans are sentient beings, they're not completely controlled by whatever random science articles tell you. You need some more REAL WORLD experience with these kinds of people, because you certainly don't understand them all very well.

Why would I need to go to a gay/lesbian/mixed bar? You can derive just as much from nearly any bar which depending on the location the experience could vary greatly. Personally I feel that a bar is not a great hangout to meet intelligent level minded people. Perhaps they're great for random hook ups but nothing is more annoying than those narrow minded party people (bro's) that fit into the whole bar scene so well. I dropped the bar scene years ago and it's not really anything special. Are we to consider the average person such as yourself or a frequent bar goer an expert on social science? At it's most basic core science is about analyzing and understand the REAL world around us. People "like me" see relations and structures to things that the rest of the world ignores or refuses to acknowledge. (either because of lack of knowledge or ignorance) When such a belief is accepted universally it is generally considered a scientific law of sorts. Not to say it couldn't still be debated but until a law is proved wrong it is considered to be "fact" whether you like it or not.

Sexuality is built up from experiences. You don't just "DECIDE" to do something. (still debating this huh?) You will find things that you like and even dislike over a period of time. Seeking a companion and seeking a sexual partner are not always the same two things. Someone who is straight may later in life have a partner of the same sex, while this statistically is not true for most this does indeed happen. Are you insisting without social or moral restraints that humanity would have sex with anything and everything? Like a rock, animal, or tree? Thing's didn't workout with people so I built myself an android...

Chokster37 wrote:
"Humans are sentient beings, they're not completely controlled by
whatever random science articles tell you. You need some more REAL WORLD
experience with these kinds of people, because you certainly don't
understand them all very well."

What random article are you referring to? Humans are sentient? Wow fascinating! Science is about analyzing and understanding the world we live in so if you still can't grasp that fact then you may need to clear out some of the junk between your neurons. You can claim to have all the real world experience that you wish but your opinions certainly don't support themselves very well. Perhaps the first step to fixing that would be better understanding the world you interact in?

Hi Alvin!

Chokster37 wrote:

NostalgicAlgorithms wrote:What random article are you referring to? Humans are sentient? Wow fascinating! Science is about analyzing and understanding the world we live in so if you still can't grasp that fact then you may need to clear out some of the junk between your neurons. You can claim to have all the real world experience that you wish but your opinions certainly don't support themselves very well. Perhaps the first step to fixing that would be better understanding the world you interact in?

What is it exactly that you think I don't understand? That "all gay people agree that they were born that way"? That's funny, because it's not what you said here:

NostalgicAlgorithms wrote:Sexuality is built up from experiences. You don't just "DECIDE" to do something. (still debating this huh?) You will find things that you like and even dislike over a period of time. Seeking a companion and seeking a sexual partner are not always the same two things. Someone who is straight may later in life have a partner of the same sex, while this statistically is not true for most this does indeed happen. Are you insisting without social or moral restraints that humanity would have sex with anything and everything? Like a rock, animal, or tree?

You're just a hypocrite really. It sounds like you really don't know what you believe, so I'd suggest you stop trying to sound smart by pretending like you know anything about anyone.

NostalgicAlgorithms wrote:Thing's didn't workout with people so I built myself an android...

You are talking to people here, and you seem to be doing ok. I don't really see what the problem is. You're only 27 years old (according to your info), I wouldn't completely give up on interacting with people just because of a few issues or mistakes you had in the past. Maybe you just hold humans to invalid standards, and need to accept them for who they are and what they want more often for things to work out?

Well Chokster37 I do agree that you do not understand or want to believe said quote #1. But great job completely missing the point again... Is English not your first language? Taking things out of context really makes it hard to get through to you. Good thing I'm patient.

The question was:
"Are you insisting without social or moral restraints that humanity would have sex with anything and everything? Like a rock, animal, or tree? Thing's didn't workout with people so I built myself an android..." <---- People build androids because they do not find normal relationships easy or have abandonment issues. Android was maybe the wrong choice of word but people are actively involved in pursuing this vaguely understood type of relationship. After trying normal relationships or finding them too difficult they make a choice into investigating the possibly of having an artificial companion such as a love doll. I am sorry that you misunderstood that last bit and hate to disappoint you but I don't own any android. Having a rock, tree, or love doll as a partner is certainly not within the social norm agreed? You have not responded to the question so you either don't have an opinion or your mind is not made up?

This is a great example of a person making a choice.
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People who are gay and or transgender did not make the choice to be that way. They were born with a slightly different make up of genes. Individuals that are gay or transgender often can live out half their life, get married, have kids and raise a family because that is how society is structured. (What you're supposed to do kind of thing!) Only later in life could they realize they were meant to be a man or woman instead. (Or have a partner of the same sex) At that point they "CHOOSE" to make the change happen. However it doesn't change my stance that such humans make that choice based upon the fact "they were born different" in the first place. See the connection yet? To further the debate a cross dresser and transsexual are both transgender people, but their conditions differ radically. Many transsexual people have asked the American Psychiatric Association to remove Gender Identity Disorder from the DSM, and World Health Organization from ICD-10 as it had been listed for some time. Many of these people feel that at least some mental health professionals are being insensitive by labeling transsexualism as "a disease", rather than as an inborn trait. An INBORN trait like something you were BORN with? Makes so much sense doesn't it? Has that dim bulb lit up yet?

Article written by a self proclaimed transgender:
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As for being a "hypocrite" I don't think you understand the meaning? I always try to see both sides of an argument because a another persons alternative views on a subject are often interesting, or at least help expand my own insight on the subject. You have offered no supporting facts or any sort of explanation why you feel the way you do. Making assumptions about people, taking my own words out of context and utterly failing to see the deeper meaning in what I write does not make you seem very intelligent either my friend. Personally I don't think of transgender as a defect because is in history and certain cultures such a trait is considered beautiful and rare. However because of where I live I fear that society is still not fully tolerant and accepting of such people, so if given the choice to ensure my offspring was either option A or B I would likely consider such technology if its ever made available. If you have something of value to add then please do but I urge you to educate yourself a bit before making anymore half witted responses.

Religion thread turned to gay thread. Make a gay thread if you want. Question: Support gay marriage or not?

Separate all clergy from state and let them decide what they want to do. I don't give a F-U-C-K.

I think all of my friends either agree with me or don't really care much about the religion they believe in. (Which really means, they don't believe, they just don't know it). Any more prying and I think I'm going to lose a few friends.

Asking Jesus into your heart. Believe that he died on the cross to save us from our sins and God the Father rose him from the dead. Confess that you are a sinner. This is how you gain salvation in Christianity. If your friends did those three things in their lives, then they are probably Christian. Some Christians think you can lose salvation. There have been times where I thought I was not a christian, but it was Satan playing tricks on me. I was scared that I was going to go to Hell. I am so glad I have Jesus in my heart. I pray to God like a little child. Praying to God like a little child is awesome. I will always be a little child of God. Brian, feel free to reply about my situations where I thought I was not a Christian and about Childlike faith. Everyone else can reply also.

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People have the right to worship who they want. The problem I have is people taking their beliefs and shoving them down other people's throats. Isn't that what stirs up religious wars in the Middle East?

WolferCooker wrote:People have the right to worship who they want. The problem I have is people taking their beliefs and shoving them down other people's throats. Isn't that what stirs up religious wars in the Middle East?

People have the right to believe in ridiculous and stupid things. But they will act according to their beliefs, which is a problem. Those that are religious and don't act differently compared to if they were are living a contraditory life. You're allowed to think stoning children is fine. It's legal. They have a right to think so. But does that make them immoral fuckups not worth of respect? Yes. And I will treat them accordingly. *Eyes Christians*

All beliefs are subjected to question, and ridiculous beliefs only merit ridicule. Somehow when it's religion it's not to be discussed.

100% agree with you there Wizzie. I don't see religion itself as the problem. I see the people who take it to the extreme are the problem.

Religion is a problem even if it's not extreme. When it's extreme, people recognize that it's bad and try to stop it. But when it's not, nobody cares. Religion in itself is bad.