@Mega Luigi wrote:
Respecting other people's work is indeed necessary. It's also perfectly fine asking to have all/some of your work removed from the pack, if that's what you wish. I don't see the respecting part here, though. Did it ever occur to you that there are nicer ways of asking things, and that you might even get more by doing so? That was a rhetorical question, obviously, we all know exactly what you expect with your posts.
So you have a preset mind about my posts despite that i repeat my points trying to make it clear.
The thing is, I did ask just fine. I repeated myself to a point I started to get belittled for no good reason. If you think otherwise please quote me where did I sound disrespectful at first? Harsh sure, sarcastic possible.
I pointed it out long ago already. If you ban one person for something then you should ban others too or it ends in subjective hypocrisy.
If you think what i said is more than harsh criticism after repeating myself over and over again and you think it's ban-worthy flaming then go ahead. But again I'm not the only one who should be banned then, see above. I see also who came by for drive by down-voting without posting anything
Cause ganging up as a group with or without reason on one person seems nice as well or?
@Mega Luigi wrote:
And there's another demonstration of your lack of respect.
Yes and you know why? Check previous posts of brickgolem what he said about me. Why shall i bother to stay respectful to someone who is not respectful towards me after repeatedly being too dense. As I mentioned before, feel free to quote where was I mean enough to be called "unpleasant and obnoxious and disgusting behavior"?
It seems it needs hellfire first before someone considers to look at the issue. Would anyone have made those plagiarism rules or bothered to fix this resource otherwise? Would have there been any change if Dark_Wizzie wouldn't have posted?
@Mega Luigi wrote:
Interesting view about credits mattering more in a resource. Do you really think that, or you just switched to a more inflammable view, conveniently? If you truly do, then please enlighten us all about that, pretty sure that's not common knowledge. Also, as far as I know, you were the one to bring OMJ in this conversation. Another interesting view you have, of how to maintain the subject in a topic.
I thought I made it clear but ok. Think of it like this. You are creating mod and you are not an artist, so you look for graphic sources. You can do 2 things, download mods and rip graphics directly from them. Then you know where graphics came from and who made them (assuming mod author was properly putting sources). OR you get a sprite pack and you believe all info in it is solid and decently written, because art pack is prepared and ready to use. [Edit: OMJ served as simple example that everyone can refer to easily. He did lot of things wrong but it should be also possible for others to learn from some of his mistakes or not?]
Now, whats the point of having inaccurate info to be spread around (see bad Wikipedia sources)?
@Mega Luigi wrote:
did you realize this is an "Enemy Pack", by the way? Enemy pack as in it is more than a graphics pack, as you called it.
Glad you pointed it out. So it has even more importance cause there are less people making enemy sets and more people downloading such. Well enemy pack is a graphic pack with additional info (according to statements here), that lets be honest, no one gonna use. People can set health to enemies as they please but what they really gonna look for is graphic set for enemies since that is something that takes massive amount of time. Pretty sure if someone is looking for a enemy set he just gonna need sprites and not info how to set them exactly up like in game X. Besides making ripped resources act exactly like in their games is not a brilliant idea either. You don't copy only the visual part but also the character behind it.
Because it's such a big pack you should also put the effort into the stuff behind it and not just the content itself. If you work for 2 years on it then why is there less or no time spent on a simple text file? It's gonna work as a base for works of other people. And not only people from wolf3d. And I'm pretty sure the goal of the pack is supposed to be a base for other people to work with.
@Mega Luigi wrote:
Remarkable that you mention that. In fact, brick's work fits in the third question, in my opinion. But then again, it is really not up to you or me to judge if there has been little or lots of work.
Well if graphics have been taken without any edit, will you call that lot effort or also wont judge? Who is it up to then, the author itself?
His edits/effort should be acknowledged and valued while it's ok to devalue others who did more?
I's ok to post plenty of id Software assets? Is it ok to post here some old commercial DOS games cause no one cares anyways? Is it ok to post here low-budget movies to download cause they are not Hollywood? If not, where do you draw the line?
If it's not breaking rules, laws then it's gonna lower the tolerance each year till you reach the bottom without any standards and dragging the quality down along the way.
What you seem to have issues with is seeing it from an artist point of view. There aren't many artists around and sprites around here are quite often treated like a means to an end. There is room for mistakes, there is room for improvement. No one's perfect. I ignore plenty of mods with such issues. It's one person without art talent or this and that. But heck if same person still keeps doing it after 10 mods then wtf. This is not a mod which you download and play but a large resource full of enemy sets.
How would it be if someone took your maps (or code or music), edited it a bit and made a map pack from it with such info text?
Don't defend ripping off anything with the words "everyone is doing that, so it's ok". It keeps spiraling til it's ok that anyone can shoot anyone. Everyone is jumping off a bridge so let's do that too.
I will repeat it again... it is not a mod, it is an art pack (enemy pack if it makes you happier) and it made ready to go for the public.
If someone keeps ignoring request to change it after few posts and face-palming then for me it is a case of refusing to fix it up. If i was too harsh ok but does it make the point any less valid and not question yourself if you should take a look again?
as I usually wants to avoid conflicts. And to someone that didn’t like this, sorry to everyone (except the pink bunny).
He could have always backed down as well or not? We are both stubborn but that doesn't change the objective point.
Atina, calm the hell down. Forum rules don't just apply to people who break some rule. The more problem somebody is for the forum the easier it is to justify moderation against that person.
Every time I get an email from Stathmk it's because somebody got into a fight on here.
I am calm >< there is just a limit of nonsense towards me I can take before turning too sarcastic. Seems like people don't get point until you passively manage to summon an admin which is kinda sad.
Well He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named, got ban here for a reason of plagiarizing. So I wonder about a statement from Stathmk. Will he ban all such cases or only those who he doesn't like himself?
I am sorry to say but a person who can't make admin decisions on his own, needs to write another admin in case of a conflict, constantly goes offtopic, is not objective and might not be the right person for such a role.
I'm not asking for a ban and he removed it now anyways. So despite brickgolem being stubborn it's good to hear he wants to fix it.
as long as the pink bunny stays away from me.
pink bunny safety space zones needed
I think here I agree with most, except that I am oversensitive. I write here from view point of an artist also for OTHER ARTISTS. You say you are artist too. Tell me how would you feel if someone takes my or your work and doesn't mention my or your name or devalues your efforts? Sooner or later it would hit a limit.