Hitler died in 1943

I am back on this forum now. I believe that Hitler died in 1943 in episode 3 of Wolfenstein 3D. This makes sense since RTCW and Wolfenstein 2009 take place after. Both RTCW and Wolfenstein 2009 take place in 1943. Hitler was resurrected in 1943. In 1945, Hitler committed suicide. What do you people think?

The New Order is not canon to me at all.

It is possible that episode 3 could have time jumped to 1945, but that seems unlikely.

If this was the case, the timeline was altered.

Perhaps BJ killed Hitler in 1943, not knowing he would commit suicide in 1945, therefore shortening the war by 2 years.

If it happened in 1945, BJ was probably just killing time in nazi castles stealing their Fantas and Adolf got in the way.

jpb1991 wrote:...What do you people think?...

I think that you’re being pedantic – overly concerned with minute details.  We don’t want to be obligated to fit our mod storylines into your timelines or alternate timelines.

Wolfenstein 3D in May 1992 was 3 episodes.  I remember from that time.  Then it became 6 episodes by the time that we bought it in April 1993.  Episodes 4, 5, and 6 are prequels taking place before episodes 1, 2, and 3.  If you remember the Spear of Destiny ending, The Spear of Destiny takes place before the death of Hitler with Roosevelt writing a letter to Blaskowics.

If you want to nit-pick, Roosevelt, Mussolini, Eva Braun, and Hitler all died in April 1945.  V.E. Day was May 6, 1945.  An Almanac lists somebody else briefly in change of Germany after Hitler’s death.

I wrote a non-fiction term paper in high school that included the death of Hitler.  80 minutes before Hitler committed suicide, a particular landmark in Nuremberg was bombed and looted by the Allies or Russians, but I don’t know if Hitler knew that at the time.  When the Allies and Russians were surrounding him, he killed himself.  The torso was cremated and flushed down a toilet.  In 1978, I think, the Russians identified a skull matching Hitler’s dental records that was kept at a Russian base.  The base had to be handed over to East Germany or Poland, I think.  So they cremated the skull and dumped it in a river.

DNA wasn’t normally talked about or well known in 1978, so they probably wouldn’t have kept a DNA sample to say, “Hey, we cremated a corpse and the DNA matches Hitler’s.”  The first DNA test to convict a criminal was 1980 or 1981.  DNA became more talked about with the 1993 movie Jurassic Park and the 1994 OJ Simpson trial.  But you’re younger than me, so you honestly wouldn’t have remembered 1994.

But I don’t want to obligate anybody to follow my timeline because that would take some fun out of it.

The Triad might have revived Hitler in 1943 since Hitler was their puppet if you consider the original cancelled sequel canon. A simple explanation is that a Nazi scientist revived Hitler. If Deathshead is a clone of Schabbs, Deathshead is the perfect candidate to revive Hitler.

Maybe I take you so seriously because you take things so seriously.

Are you also "Therefore?"

I am not Therefore. I have an analytical mind. I am a deep thinker and like to ponder things that are interesting to me.

stathmk wrote:Maybe I take you so seriously because you take things so seriously.

Are you also "Therefore?"

Therefore is probably Chris.
And who or what Chris is is still unknown, we just call this phenomena 'Chris' as a placeholder name.

The story for Wolfenstein games is a bit flawed though. Hitler's dead and then we're thrown back to RTCW and then Wolf 2009 and then Wolf: New Order? It's not that big of a deal I guess because the games are so loosely linked in story.
They did have Caroline Becker in Wolf 2009 and the New Order though.

Caroline died in 2009, then due to the alternate timeline, did not die.

Makes more sense if she was alive and survived by some miracle.

stathmk wrote:

jpb1991 wrote:...What do you people think?...

I think that you’re being pedantic – overly concerned with minute details.  We don’t want to be obligated to fit our mod storylines into your timelines or alternate timelines.

Wolfenstein 3D in May 1992 was 3 episodes.  I remember from that time.  Then it became 6 episodes by the time that we bought it in April 1993.  Episodes 4, 5, and 6 are prequels taking place before episodes 1, 2, and 3.  If you remember the Spear of Destiny ending, The Spear of Destiny takes place before the death of Hitler with Roosevelt writing a letter to Blaskowics.

If you want to nit-pick, Roosevelt, Mussolini, Eva Braun, and Hitler all died in April 1945.  V.E. Day was May 6, 1945.  An Almanac lists somebody else briefly in change of Germany after Hitler’s death.

I wrote a non-fiction term paper in high school that included the death of Hitler.  80 minutes before Hitler committed suicide, a particular landmark in Nuremberg was bombed and looted by the Allies or Russians, but I don’t know if Hitler knew that at the time.  When the Allies and Russians were surrounding him, he killed himself.  The torso was cremated and flushed down a toilet.  In 1978, I think, the Russians identified a skull matching Hitler’s dental records that was kept at a Russian base.  The base had to be handed over to East Germany or Poland, I think.  So they cremated the skull and dumped it in a river.

DNA wasn’t normally talked about or well known in 1978, so they probably wouldn’t have kept a DNA sample to say, “Hey, we cremated a corpse and the DNA matches Hitler’s.”  The first DNA test to convict a criminal was 1980 or 1981.  DNA became more talked about with the 1993 movie Jurassic Park and the 1994 OJ Simpson trial.  But you’re younger than me, so you honestly wouldn’t have remembered 1994.

But I don’t want to obligate anybody to follow my timeline because that would take some fun out of it.

This was before we found out the bunker suicide hoax I guess.. The Russians said they had his skull but, when it was tested, it was shown to be the skull fragments of a 30-40 year old woman. It was a lie. I think they just didn't want to look like failures, they HAD to have some kind of "evidence". Many people think and claim they can prove that he actually escaped to South America and lived there until 1962. There are no facts to support the suicide story. Not anymore..

famicomwave wrote:
This was before we found out the bunker suicide hoax I guess.. The Russians said they had his skull but, when it was tested, it was shown to be the skull fragments of a 30-40 year old woman. It was a lie. I think they just didn't want to look like failures, they HAD to have some kind of "evidence". Many people think and claim they can prove that he actually escaped to South America and lived there until 1962. There are no facts to support the suicide story. Not anymore..

^ I'd like a source for this assertion please.

Ryu-sama wrote:

famicomwave wrote:
This was before we found out the bunker suicide hoax I guess.. The Russians said they had his skull but, when it was tested, it was shown to be the skull fragments of a 30-40 year old woman. It was a lie. I think they just didn't want to look like failures, they HAD to have some kind of "evidence". Many people think and claim they can prove that he actually escaped to South America and lived there until 1962. There are no facts to support the suicide story. Not anymore..

^ I'd like a source for this assertion please.

I don't know where famicomwave is going.  If we're talking about the historical Hitler and not some video game fan fiction, then Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun were surrounded and killed themselves on April 30 or May 1, 1945.  Hitler's jaw was found in 1978 or at least 1978 was when they announced it was found.  The jaw matched Hitler's dental records.

Ryu-sama, if you must know, this thread was started by jpb681991, jpb1991, or Joshua before he changed his account to guest.  I thought that he wrote it to fit either his fan fiction or the storyline of RTCW, or Wolfenstein 2009.  I know certain things about RTCW and Wolfenstein 2009.

stathmk wrote:

Ryu-sama wrote:

famicomwave wrote:
This was before we found out the bunker suicide hoax I guess.. The Russians said they had his skull but, when it was tested, it was shown to be the skull fragments of a 30-40 year old woman. It was a lie. I think they just didn't want to look like failures, they HAD to have some kind of "evidence". Many people think and claim they can prove that he actually escaped to South America and lived there until 1962. There are no facts to support the suicide story. Not anymore..

^ I'd like a source for this assertion please.

I don't know where famicomwave is going.  If we're talking about the historical Hitler and not some video game fan fiction, then Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun were surrounded and killed themselves on April 30 or May 1, 1945.  Hitler's jaw was found in 1978 or at least 1978 was when they announced it was found.  The jaw matched Hitler's dental records.

Ryu-sama, if you must know, this thread was started by jpb681991, jpb1991, or Joshua before he changed his account to guest.  I thought that he wrote it to fit either his fan fiction or the storyline of RTCW, or Wolfenstein 2009.  I know certain things about RTCW and Wolfenstein 2009.

1978 is when his jaw was flown back to Europe, sixteen years after his death in Argentina.

stathmk wrote:

Ryu-sama wrote:

famicomwave wrote:
This was before we found out the bunker suicide hoax I guess.. The Russians said they had his skull but, when it was tested, it was shown to be the skull fragments of a 30-40 year old woman. It was a lie. I think they just didn't want to look like failures, they HAD to have some kind of "evidence". Many people think and claim they can prove that he actually escaped to South America and lived there until 1962. There are no facts to support the suicide story. Not anymore..

^ I'd like a source for this assertion please.

I don't know where famicomwave is going.  If we're talking about the historical Hitler and not some video game fan fiction, then Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun were surrounded and killed themselves on April 30 or May 1, 1945.  Hitler's jaw was found in 1978 or at least 1978 was when they announced it was found.  The jaw matched Hitler's dental records.

Ryu-sama, if you must know, this thread was started by jpb681991, jpb1991, or Joshua before he changed his account to guest.  I thought that he wrote it to fit either his fan fiction or the storyline of RTCW, or Wolfenstein 2009.  I know certain things about RTCW and Wolfenstein 2009.

Oh, right. I see.

I *know* German history. I should, after all, being German. Thank you, stathmk. Really. I'm really grateful.