[released] Batman vs. Bane

Well, guys - what do you think?

a 10-level TC "Batman vs. Bane".
The mod is part 1 of a planned trilogy (the other parts are in work as well)
Coding: LinuxWolf (and also RonWolf)
Art: DoomJedi
Main mapper: RonWolf, secondary mapper: Dean.
Sounds and music: Lozer_42

http://www.wolfenstein3d.co.uk/wshot003-5pics.htm

Seems interesting and I like screenshots. Is this TC based on some story? Meaning some comics volume or movie. Like Batman Doom TC, which is basically Knightfall.

Valts wrote:Seems interesting and I like screenshots.

Thank you
Most of them are just from the first level

Originally this was started as a "fast mod" (both me and Ron being Batman fans) with minimum planned coding changes....but slowly it expanded a bit, especially after LinuxWolf joined the project, with his coding abilities. Still, it's a relatively small-scale project - especially "map-number"-wise

Next parts are planned to be a bit less "rushed" and with more maps. This one we wanted to release before "The Dark Knight Rises", for obvious reasons.
The project is in VERY advanced stage of development, we just unveiled it now.

Is this TC based on some story? Meaning some comics volume or movie. Like Batman Doom TC, which is basically Knightfall.

RonWolf, being Batman "expert" in fully in charge of the story. I do suggest him Bosses/Villains from time to time (and give him feedbacks on his plot), but he has to fit those within the plot and is fully in charge.
RonWolf seem to get inspiration from the upcoming TDKR, other Bane-related comics, maybe even "Arkham City" (especially for the other "non-Bane" Villains) and other Batman-related sources.

Is this TC based on some story?

It is based on various sources, most obvious ones being the Nolan movies, the comic Knightfall and a bit of the Arkham games. So it's a bit of a mix of that all.

Thanks for the explanation. I keep an eye on this TC

Mapping of part 1 is finished

Now jsut betatesting and adding more sounds

Looking forward to play this TC. Any news?

Oh, thanks for the interest and congratulations on your first post!
We are the same age, probably from the same gaming generation, cool

Are you a programmer? Are you into Wolf3D coding?

Regarding your question: We are working to finish the mod (we still have to add ambient sounds to 2 maps and insert story/intermission screens we somehow "forgot"). Also the mod is currently under final testing and we wait for the tester to finish the mod.
I'd say give us a few more weeks.
In general we don't plan to delay the release of the mod and so will release it right after all sounds and story/intermission screens are in and testing is finished. I also plan to do that before movie comes out, this is a certain deadline for me - as this was the main reason this mod was a bit rushed (while still being (IMHO) impressive as it is, as any "Team RayCast" creation) and so is not 100% of what it could have been otherwise (if we'd had a coder + "no time deadline" from the start).

But don't worry - everything that was "missed" from this mod will go into sequels that are already in work (especially artwise) and which (having no time deadline) will be more detailed, with more art, enemies, features, themes, maps...and with much more "Duke Nukem 3D" feeling.

Sequel 1 is at least 95% finished artwise (including new enemies, Bosses, items, scenery, textures, skies....) and it's coding is just about to start.

Sequel 2 is relatively finished artwise as well, all the enemies, Bosses, items etc...

Thanks.
Yes I guess we both remember how id started with Wolf. And of course, my all time favorite System Shock
which I believe is the best game ever made. Too bad Looking Glass went bankrupt.
As for coding, I'm not into Wolf3D coding (but may give it a try unless it would mean a complete rewrite

I am now writing a wolf-like engine from scratch. But it won't support Wolf data files,
it's something completely different and original.
Everything concerning gameplay will be scripted so mods won't have to recompile binaries.
Still too early to show something though.

Regarding Batman vs Bane: That's good news! I really can't wait, played some wolf mods recently (Unsung, Totenkopf)
and I have to say I was impressed with fresh ideas and quality.
In fact I got interested when I played 8-bit killer, a game by Locomalito,
which has wonderful pixel art with only 32x32 walls and floors and some really cool ideas.
It's good to see you guys still working on mods even 20 years after the release of Wolf3D
as modern games are not my cup of tea (don't like interactive hollywood movies).
Btw. I have to say the screenshots look beautiful! Good luck.

EDIT: sorry for that "hollywood movie" remark:) By that i meant that modern games often lack invention and most feel always the same.

mar wrote:And of course, my all time favorite System Shock

Well, never connected to that game...had a Demo on my old shareware 1995 CD...but only played 1st level a bit.

As for coding, I'm not into Wolf3D coding (but may give it a try unless it would mean a complete rewrite

Come on, learn the SDL source - we can use another coder here in the community
For a programmer - how hard can it be?
"Team RayCast" has many projects and only one coder.

I am now writing a wolf-like engine from scratch. But it won't support Wolf data files,
it's something completely different and original.

Sounds interesting Also means you're a pretty capable coder
Any interesting features you plan, something beyond Wolf3D?

Everything concerning gameplay will be scripted so mods won't have to recompile binaries.

Cool Maybe even I will be able to code then
Though look at the ECWolf project, it has some simularities.

Regarding Batman vs Bane: That's good news! I really can't wait, played some wolf mods recently (Unsung, Totenkopf)

Great mods You've got taste

In fact I got interested when I played 8-bit killer, a game by Locomalito,
which has wonderful pixel art with only 32x32 walls and floors and some really cool ideas.

Creativity has not resolution boundaries

It's good to see you guys still working on mods even 20 years after the release of Wolf3D

Yep, very much so Thanks

as modern games are not my cup of tea

Yeah, me too...there is no charm.
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Btw. I have to say the screenshots look beautiful! Good luck.

Thanks you You're so kind

doomjedi wrote:
Come on, learn the SDL source - we can use another coder here in the community
For a programmer - how hard can it be?
"Team RayCast" has many projects and only one coder.

Well I can give it a try, why not? All I need is latest Wolf4SDL source (where to get it?)
And what needs to be done (but go easy on me until I understand how things work.
never looked at wolf source before:)

doomjedi wrote:
Any interesting features you plan, something beyond Wolf3D?

OpenGL only but without bilinear filtering so that it looks nice (blocky), should run even on old GPUs.
Oldschool dynamic lighting (mappers will place lights in editor), usable buttons to trigger other stuff
(like a lever opening door, a switch turning lights on/off), closed door will damp sound.
Shootable/breakable walls should be possible too. Script state will be saved automatically to savegame files
so one won't have to worry about broken savegames etc. There will be theoretically no limits on sprite counts
and all textures will be 32-bit RGBA.
Camera height will be dynamic too so it could for instance follow a sine-movement while moving.
I already have a simple gameplay demo but time to post it here has not yet come
And I can't post external links as a newcomer anyway.

doomjedi wrote:
Cool Maybe even I will be able to code then
Though look at the ECWolf project, it has some simularities.

If you are familiar with JS then sure
A very interesting project, however I already have my own script working.
It's typeless and very similar to JavaScript but simpler, no function literals.
The only problem is that it's 2 to 3 times slower than Lua. But only game logic will be scripted anyway.

mar wrote:
Well I can give it a try, why not? All I need is latest Wolf4SDL source (where to get it?)
And what needs to be done (but go easy on me until I understand how things work.
never looked at wolf source before:)

Wolf4SDL is the main and the only thing we use for "modern" Wolf3D modding, is an engine with many available tutorials for almost any feature.
So if you want to mod Wolf3D - this is the engine you need to learn and master.

I know this link:

http://www.chaos-software.de.vu/

But if someone knows a better build, he is free to suggest.

OpenGL is non-popular for Wolf3D modding...but if you want to keep it blocky - you've got some chance...but I don't think Wolf3D community will switch the engine.

Oldschool dynamic lighting (mappers will place lights in editor)

This is cool

Sounds interesting.

doomjedi wrote:
Wolf4SDL is the main and the only thing we use for "modern" Wolf3D modding, is an engine with many available tutorials for almost any feature.

Ok and thanks for the link.

doomjedi wrote:
OpenGL is non-popular for Wolf3D modding...but if you want to keep it blocky - you've got some chance...but I don't think Wolf3D community will switch the engine.

That wasn't even my intention

You helped me to understand why I don't see filtered textures in Skulltag, thanks
I just didn't use billinear filtering for textures
Tried to ask at Skulltag forums, but nobody answered.

Hope we'll stay more on the topic on this one - you're free to open a new thread for your project.

Final BetaTesting (done by 2 wolfers) will probably be finished in a few days, and is quite detailed feedback-wise.

There are alot of "fixes" and such (from small mapping errors to some art and screens), so I'll take at least a couple more weeks to fix those. So be patient Noone wants to play a bugged mod.

Betatesting is finished. Now just to fix the remarks, make some Bosses stronger, insert intermission screens etc.

There is much progress with the Intermission and Story screens - what's left is only for LinuxWolf to code some of them in.

Overall LinuxWolf has still a list of small coding tasks (so it's mostly up to him at this point) + some levels still need music to be added or toned down.

Lately published "Batman vs. Bane" children book made us to have internal discussion if to keep mod title or change it.

Intermission screens are done and coded in, now just some sounds are left...Loser_42 department

Coding for the sequel started as well.

We are very close to the release.
Just one small LinuxWolf's task away.

Though it's originally started as a small and fast side-project, it became something else entirely...a symbol, M. Wolfer ...

"Batman vs. Bane" was sent to Brian

doomjedi

Thanks for playing "Batman vs. Bane"
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https://wolf3d.darkbb.com/t1794p1050-what-music-are-you-listening-to-part-ii#19515

Akuul wrote:
Thanks for playing "Batman vs. Bane"

Well...you meant "for making"? For playing - it's me who need to thank you

Hope to get a feedback once you finish

doomjedi wrote:Hope to get a feedback once you finish

At night, started the level number 10. Not an end to prolong his pleasure. Then I start the game again raising the level of difficulty .. Along with a new passage will try to list everything that I liked in game..

doomjedi wrote:Hope to get a feedback once you finish

I think "Batman vs. Bane" one of the best mod on the based "open-source-engine-wolf3D"
Here is a short IMHO.
So as I think that the mod "Batman vs. Bane" could, to make some innovations for all mods
- two boss at the same level
- bosses in labiritah streets
- allusion quest\adventure
...
..the latter(adventure)is particularly interesting
I understand that it is easy to give advice (I'm not a programmer).. but why not try?
I think that the "Batman vs. Bane" good reason to drastically change the gameplay, "Wolf 3D". The plot? You can rethink the official version. The attempt on Hitler. In life, the attempt failed. In the event the game can be corrected. And it can be done by merging genres - FPS + Quest\Adventure.
These thoughts occurred to during the passage of "Batman vs. Bane"
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It remains to add that the "Team RayCast" - just geniuses.

I finally completed Batman vs Bane. What I can say, great work. Some levels remind bit BatmanDoom, like train station, sewer. I liked new bonus items (Mad Hatters hat and others). Overall good mod.

Thank you very much
Regarding BatmanDoom - pure coincidence/association.

Hope you'll like the sequels as well

doomjedi

wolfensteingoodies.com wrote:September 12, 2012. The updated Batman VS Bane 1.1 ..

Was really an upgrade ?

doomjedi

I downloaded version of the resource wolfensteingoodies.com...

So it was in the first version ..

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So now..

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The first version was brighter ..

Yes, we changed the palette, as a result of the feedback of it being too vibrant / toony for a Batman mod (feedback by Soldat555 on DHW).
We thought he had a point there.
New palette is by Lozer_42.

Still, the good news are that the pallete is now external in this version, and loads from external palette file. One can easily replace it back with the original Wolf3D/SOD palette we used - or delete the external palette file which will reset the game to default palette.
Now everyone can play it with the palette he/she prefers.

In general - changes are minor, and probably wouldn't be released if not the wolfengoodies re-hosting "opportunity to update".

Other changes include mapping fix of the "unreachable Joker box" on level 3 (for those who love to get 100% of everything), artfix of the "dead" prisoner sprite that was only partly recolored before, change/improvement (artwise) to Freeze projectile and for ScareCrow projectile explosion....fix of mistype of Majik Monkee credit......
Such small stuff. Nothing major.

doomjedi wrote:..One can easily replace it back with the original Wolf3D/SOD palette we used - or delete the external palette file which will reset the game to default palette...

VGAGRAPH file ??

Akuul wrote:

doomjedi wrote:..One can easily replace it back with the original Wolf3D/SOD palette we used - or delete the external palette file which will reset the game to default palette...

VGAGRAPH file ??

??
palette.bmp

exe loads it, if exists in the folder. Deleting it will reset the game to it's default Wolf3D palette.

I'm not sure what's unclear in what i've just said.

doomjedi wrote: ?? palette.bmp exe loads it, if exists in the folder. Deleting it will reset the game to it's default Wolf3D palette. I'm not sure what's unclear in what i've just said.

Now everything is clear .. Just in the Russian translation the words "palette file" lost sense of the word "palette.bmp".. By the same archive to the game was not available at the time .. So I could not see what files are in the "Batman VS Bane".

The project is now on moddb

http://www.moddb.com/mods/batman-vs-bane

Spoiler ahead! (Secret level and Boss)

Is that your voice in the video?

You mean the Bosses? (The commentary is obviously by Balames)

All Bosses were voiced by Lozer_42 or his voice actors

Good ol' Balames. Someone needs to get him to join this forum.

WolferCooker wrote:Good ol' Balames

Not just him

Hi all, great mod.  I played through it once and thoroughly enjoyed it.  The bosses were awesome!  

One question:
Is there the red key on level 2 to unlock the red key door?  I looked all over for it.  Is it there or was it forgotten?  Thanks.

In the case of level 2, the red door was only there for decoration purposes; it was never meant to be opened.

Glad to hear you enjoyed the mod