Super Haven Mapset Volume II

The Legacy of Super Haven Mapset continues...
Would anyone be interested in helping making a Super Haven Mapset part II?
It is going to be 60 levels. No major coding changes. After this is released, those who want coding can do their coded project for Haven Forum.
It is SDL coded to allow all the static objects or enemies or doors that you want, up to around 400 guards or so. No idiotic levels accepted.

Episode 1: Wizziestien
E1L1 - Wastelands 3 - Dark_wizzie
E1L2 - Treasure Trove - Dark_wizzie
Episode 2: We Love Zombies!
E2L1 - Sewer Access 1 - Wolfercooker
Episode 3: Hitler's Haven
E3L1 - C'mon Everyone - Schabbs
Episode 4: Antitime Invasion!
E4L1: 404Error - Nexion
Episode 5: Odds and Ends
Episode 6: Hardcore Carnage

56 levels remaining.
I want one map from each person in this forum if possible. Make just a map if you don't have time. Make it a small map if you really don't have time.

Dark_wizzie - 2 maps
Wolfercooker - 1 map
Schabbs - 1 map

As long as I can make a brain sprite to replace the health/dinner plate, I'm in.

Can this Super Haven Mapset include some more different weapons and actors? Like Coming of the Storm-ish kind of weapons and actors? And change the ammo limit instead of 99?

Maybe. If someone is willing to code for it.

Hmmm. I would do some coding, or perhaps lone out my WUB engine....maybe.

I'm in.

I will contribute 1 map, although I cannot assure its quality, I will give it a try.

How about seamless levels instead of episode format?

I second that one.

I must confess. Ever since I discovered all these Wolf3d mods, I am NOT a fan of 99 ammo limits and only 4 weapons to choose from along with the fact that all weapons use the same ammo.

I am also not much of a fan on episode formats. To me, seamless levels keeps the suspense of the game.

I don't know. I've always been an old-school follower to the bone, and quite frankly, none of my favourite games have more than the usual weapons. Totengräber, Schabbs 2000, Assassinate Hitler, The Final Solution, Conflict in the Fatherland and Chemical Warfare have kept all things to a minimum (though the latter adds an odd turquoise rocket launcher). And I like the former aspect of the Haven map set, with Eric's experimental maps. They've got that Temporary Insanity-edgy environment with ridiculous sprite placement and wall mix-up and they're incredibly hard to beat. I love that. You won't get that stuff with "clean" coding. In my opinion, advanced coding makes things more cold and conservative in regards to design and entertainment... The features may add up the excitement as opposed to the oldest stuff, but in the other way it's more diverse and timeless in a way.

Thomas wrote:I don't know. I've always been an old-school follower to the bone, and quite frankly, none of my favourite games have more than the usual weapons. Totengräber, Schabbs 2000, Assassinate Hitler, The Final Solution, Conflict in the Fatherland and Chemical Warfare have kept all things to a minimum (though the latter adds an odd turquoise rocket launcher). And I like the former aspect of the Haven map set, with Eric's experimental maps. They've got that Temporary Insanity-edgy environment with ridiculous sprite placement and wall mix-up and they're incredibly hard to beat. I love that. You won't get that stuff with "clean" coding. In my opinion, advanced coding makes things more cold and conservative in regards to design and entertainment... The features may add up the excitement as opposed to the oldest stuff, but in the other way it's more diverse and timeless in a way.

I tend to agree and disagree with your statements. I'm an oldschool wolfer who loves the original stuff as much as anyone. But, I love all the coding advancements. I say, keep lot's of the original stuff, but add in cool changes to the code that makes OUR mapset simply awesome!

I agree, it could be fun to take this to another level in order to make it more special. These days you can't be picky... Good to see that somebody likes the idea!

So which is it? More weapons/enemies or not?

BTW, the elevator doors in Wolf3d are not realistic enough.



See this wall sprite for the doors? Why not add them as ceiling and floor textures for the elevators? Seeing an elevator door scratching the floor and ceiling doesn't look right. Adding this look like a true elevator.

Maybe I'll contribute one map to this mapset.

Thomas wrote:I And I like the former aspect of the Haven map set, with Eric's experimental maps. They've got that Temporary Insanity-edgy environment with ridiculous sprite placement and wall mix-up and they're incredibly hard to beat. I love that. You won't get that stuff with "clean" coding.

Whoa, what? Someone loved my crazy first few maps I ever made? Those were psychedelic! I would never think people would even play those levels without barfing, lol. I would think that people would like the different mapping on SHS.

Oh, do me a favor, Thomas. Play SHS, and tell me what you think of my mapping, especially levels 1 and 2.

I'm mapping for an SDL mapset we are making over at Die Hard Wolfers but when that's done (End of the Year at the latest) if you are still looking for maps I can contribute. Not sure how many I'd get done, especially if the next Team Raycast mod starts up once 'SonderKommando: Revolt' is released but I'll certainly make at least one if time permits.

Maybe I'll contribute with a level
Pushwalls Guaranteed!!!

I think I'll be able to make a map for this one too. Just depends on free time and if I'm working on an other mod or not.

News: I am slowly working on E1L1.

But what are we doing here? The same old thing or something new? I swing both ways.

Why not make the levels 32x32? Small, cramped puzzle levels and stuff reminiscent of Metal Gear Solid VR Missions. We could even use VR Mission type walls, but that might be too much. Each episode could be a different type of VR mission. It will take some coding though.

Forget episodes. Why not seamless levels?

Dr.Zin wrote:Why not make the levels 32x32? Small, cramped puzzle levels and stuff reminiscent of Metal Gear Solid VR Missions. We could even use VR Mission type walls, but that might be too much. Each episode could be a different type of VR mission. It will take some coding though.

I can't tell you how cool that sounds. I loved the VR missions. That 'virtual' stylisation in the graphics was brilliant and would really suit the 'simplicity' of Wolf graphics.

We need a vote. Go take a poll.

Dark_wizzie wrote:...Go take a poll.

That sounds rude!

WolferCooker wrote:Forget episodes. Why not seamless levels?

Because we would be able to divide the VR missions into things like Sneak, Combat, that kind of thing.

Per-Scan wrote:I can't tell you how cool that sounds. I loved the VR missions. That 'virtual' stylisation in the graphics was brilliant and would really suit the 'simplicity' of Wolf graphics. Smile

Ja I was playing them the other day and began to wonder how it could be pulled of in SDL or GZDoom. I figured I would suggest it here. If it doesn't turn out to be the new Haven Mapset, you can PM me and we can maybe get together on the idea. I know where we can get some MGS sprites for it either way.

I know nothing about "VR" and I'm not sure I can participate if it's not plain old Wolf. Mind you this is a "map set". Maybe this community should make a joint TC instead. In that way, all those things could take place.

If that's the case, Thomas, then you still got Wolf Overkill to finish.

If that's the case, I'll make my own map set. Been thinking about that for a long time now. In that way I know that things won't change to something radically different (and in some ways stupid) than the original idea.

I'm leaning towards no coding changes. Let's just assume that's how it goes.

No coding changes huh? So much for extra weapons and enemies...

Hmmm just take it as a free opportunity to better your map making, I guess. I'll go scrape up some time to make a map. Or fiftey.

I'll wait to see what you all decide on before I agree to contribute a map...

Hmm. A same old, boring mapset eh? Well, I voted for coding changes. If it's just a mapset I'll still contribute, but not as much as before.

Someone else vote to tip the scales, please.

I'm pro-original style, but with seamless level flow.

I voted for new graphics though I'd like to see it stick to 'old' code. Not for any other reason than it's more likely to be completed if everyone has an understanding of what's required and there will be less bug hunting...

I like oldstyle mapset, but I voted new graphics.

What the hell? Now the poll is split between all 4!

I WANT MORE WEAPONS!!

I'm for seamless levels, but vanilla wolf.

Man...

This poll makes me laugh. Now everything is split half half.

Lots of coding and graphics changes. Oh and episodes of course.

Dark_wizzie wrote:This poll makes me laugh. Now everything is split half half.

I don't know what's up with people. This is a proposed "MAP SET", note the "map" in that word. If they want a project with coding changes, new graphics, etc. itshould be a "community mod" (which could be interesting - the DHWTC is a corpse, so why not give it a shot?!) and not a "map set". It's that simple.

I totally agree with every word that Thomas said

+2 with Thomas. It's 'only' a map set...

Community mod it should be, Thomas. That way everyone can contribute to what they want on the mod. I want more selection of weapons while everyone has their own "wants".

If this does become a community mod, what should we name it?

WolferCooker wrote:If this does become a community mod, what should we name it?

Superhaven Heroes vs. the Jayngoite Zombie Hordes of Darkness

There are a lot of traps you can fall into while making a community mod. First of all, you are dependant on a lot of people from all around the world. It can happen that someone gets too busy to work on this, and if that is a coder or the coordinator of the mod, it could all fall apart. Second, if you have a lot of mappers, the quality might differ between maps. Third, some might not like the "wants" of others. There are some who don't like mapping with floor/ceiling textures, there are some who don't like more weapons etc. You really need to coordinate this all well to even work. And even then, something might happen in someone's life to prevent this person from having time to work on this at all.

It's much easier to do a community mapset. No code changes, you only have to send you maps to the coördinator and that is that. You don't have to wait for updated mapping files or a new EXE, you just make your map. I'm not totally against a community mod, but it's a lot harder than you think.

It shouldn't be a community mod, if more people rather want to work on a mapset than we start on a mapset. And the people who want a community mod can start on a community mod right? 5 people voted for coding changes + graphic changes, I guess those 5 can start assembling a team.

Alritey. The conclusion is that this will be a MAP set. 60 levels. After this, if the people want, those who want the coding changes can do their own little mod. So, first Super Haven Mapset II, then some SDL Coding project for Haven Forum.

How does that sound?
Let's get to work!
I'm working on my first map already.