Joshua wrote:Mario Maniac, do you think I should be banned? I understand the wrong things OMJ is doing. I bet he did not include a credits file. Not doing this is plagiarism.
I don't think your case is the same as Michael John. You copied maps, ok. You're risking letting people notice that and call your game boring, non innovative. Your choice, your consequences.
OMJ came to us asking help on how to get our resources and how to code our game's features in his game, that after we already knew he copied our maps. That's what's annoying. If he code one artifact we added, fine. HE did it. No one said we have rights over any code. But some things were painful to make. Some things took us months of work to get done, and certainly not to give everything that easily for someone who spams the forum asking for help for every "if" he must add in the code.
The point is how he did it, not what. You understand what is plagiarism. He doesn't, and doesn't care about it either. We also can't trust what he says. Like he did in DHW, he posted one of his leaving threads and 2 hours later was already spamming the coding section again with more questions.
Atina wrote:It sounds quite off if you dont even know where the resources came from. Also from what i read that you (the authors of the mod) haven't even played or tested your own mod. What's better, a place with few mods but more originality or a place with plenty of mods and less originality?
I would say problem is both or rather one thing goes with the other. He acts idiotic and his mods. Mr. walking Wikipedia (Stathmk) made a topic about banning plagiarisators. Or would it be fine if he manages to replicate the mod without help of anyone as long as he gets banned from the forum and your email?
We didn't play the game as a whole. We tested everything we did, and that surely doesn't mean it's bug free. You really think we would release years of work without testing? WolferCooker even played the whole game to help us find bugs before we announced the beta. So you didn't read it right or there's a problem in your understanding. This sprite thing have always been like this in wolf, so don't talk like if that became a problem now. By the way, turning sprites into black and white, 8 bit styled version doesn't make them original.
And yea, that's what I'm saying. As long as he does things by himself, I don't care about what he does. What I don't want is he bugging us asking help for every new thing we added and he wants to add in his game too. Besides being almost impossible understand him/making him understand something, he just lied to use with this new account. So if he stays away, the better for us all.
Atina wrote:Taking graphics, sounds are ok but levels not? What if for other people it's not ok if you take their graphics, sounds? Maybe this is a general community issue since the biggest focus of the community seems to be map design
Again... I'm talking for myself. Levels are almost always original things, but most sounds and graphics come from somewhere else. If someone complains about that, it would be ironic since they also copied them from somewhere. It's like, "don't steal this, I stole it first". And to avoid fall in this irony, I say: I don't care.
And every mod maker is already using a game made by someone else. To be honest, I think no one can claim anything as their own in the wolf community. You're making your work over someone else's work, so that never will be totally yours. If you release something and someone use them, deal with it. That doesn't mean we have to like that. What we can do is credit the author of the mod we took things from, though that's not the point of this discussion.
That's why I'm saying again... he can do whatever he wants, as long as he stay away from us. Wanna copy our stuff? Do it yourself, and not behind a fake account asking our help on how to replicate our own game.
Atina wrote:Didn't you and your brother also do some bad things back then? Trying to hack DHW or threatening it by impersonating John Carmack to get some source code? You should be able to relate to his pov a bit at least. He is older compared to that and his english nonexistent but different people, different brains. I also haven't been an angel several times. Anyways, he seems like a hopeless case unlike you. Everyone has some flaws so all of us should get banned by the cactus man (idea 6).
We did try to get Spear Ressurection's code, yes, but hacking DHW... I don't know where you saw that. As I said, we were kids. Really kids. Childish 10 year old kids. Immature. We wouldn't ever do something like that again. And you know what? We got banned for that from DHW over 10 years ago.
Even I laughed at myself when I read again what we wrote to get that. It was really pathetic. We learned the lesson, though. Long ago. He didn't, because he ignores what you tell him. If talking doesn't work, actions must be taken.
Besides, that has nothing to do with what he is doing now. 10 years+... forget that. We made mistakes, we paid the price. It's just fair if he pays too.
And I don't really understand your actions here. You just came and started complaining about us complaining about OMJ, with dubious facts from a past that never happened, and yet criticizing OMJ at the same time. If your hobby is nitpicking and creating ruckus, congratulations. You're being ironic yourself criticizing Michael John.
Chokster37 wrote:
I don't see anything about Egypt or Pyramid Doors in here.
Good point. I didn't notice that.
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1-2 just hinders reuse, creativity, and I'm personally siding with Mario's opinion here. People should be able to borrow other's resources WITH their permission, consent, however, the work the author is modding from should be his/her work. Also, when the mod author is done, he/she should credit who and whichever resources, help, he/she received during the making of the mod. 
