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    The truth about nazis from Ukraine isn't pleasant?

    Post by Akuul on Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:48 am

    It isn't necessary to wait for another
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    I won't be surprised if at this forum (!) in general it is forbidden to criticize Nazism and Genocide.

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    Re: The truth about nazis from Ukraine isn't pleasant?

    Post by Akuul on Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:57 am

    The consequences of the massacre of Ukrainian nationalists
    in Volhynia and Eastern Poland in the years 1943-1945
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    Re: The truth about nazis from Ukraine isn't pleasant?

    Post by Atina on Tue Jul 08, 2014 7:50 am

    I just say russians at war were same bad or worse than nazis. Gulag, does it tell you anything?

    What you do is just posting russian propaganda.

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    Re: The truth about nazis from Ukraine isn't pleasant?

    Post by Akuul on Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:56 am

    [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I just say russians at war were same bad or worse than nazis. Gulag, does it tell you anything?

    What you do is just posting russian propaganda.

    Tell me about NATO propaganda.. Tell as bombed Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya. Tell as NATO destroys other countries.
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    You are 23 years old? You still child.
    From what you are the countries?You from the USA or Europe? Then you baby.

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    Re: The truth about nazis from Ukraine isn't pleasant?

    Post by Dark_wizzie on Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:16 am

    [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
    [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I just say russians at war were same bad or worse than nazis. Gulag, does it tell you anything?

    What you do is just posting russian propaganda.

    Tell me about NATO propaganda.. Tell as bombed Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya. Tell as NATO destroys other countries.
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    You are 23 years old? You still child.
    From what you are the countries?You from the USA or Europe? Then you baby.
    Akuul, I told you last time to stop posting threads with big, red, letters. If you want to have a conversation, fine. But if you're here for anything else, stop.
    Why are you mentioning her age? It's an irrelevant attack and is a logical fallacy. You're diminishing your own credibility. If you try this kind of thing at DHW you'll be gone in a day.

    If you force this one to get locked, it's nobody's fault but your own.



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    Re: The truth about nazis from Ukraine isn't pleasant?

    Post by Akuul on Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:28 am

    [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
    [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
    [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I just say russians at war were same bad or worse than nazis. Gulag, does it tell you anything?

    What you do is just posting russian propaganda.

    Tell me about NATO propaganda.. Tell as bombed Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya. Tell as NATO destroys other countries.
    .
    You are 23 years old? You still child.
    From what you are the countries?You from the USA or Europe? Then you baby.
    Akuul, I told you last time to stop posting threads with big, red, letters. If you want to have a conversation, fine. But if you're here for anything else, stop.
    Why are you mentioning her age? It's an irrelevant attack and is a logical fallacy. You're diminishing your own credibility. If you try this kind of thing at DHW you'll be gone in a day.

    If you force this one to get locked, it's nobody's fault but your own.
    I told that that is
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    If YOUR policy to forbid everything that not conveniently that is YOUR policy
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    As they say western "democracy" in operation... ? ? ?

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    Re: The truth about nazis from Ukraine isn't pleasant?

    Post by Dark_wizzie on Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:36 am

    [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
    [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
    [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
    [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I just say russians at war were same bad or worse than nazis. Gulag, does it tell you anything?

    What you do is just posting russian propaganda.

    Tell me about NATO propaganda.. Tell as bombed Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya. Tell as NATO destroys other countries.
    .
    You are 23 years old? You still child.
    From what you are the countries?You from the USA or Europe? Then you baby.
    Akuul, I told you last time to stop posting threads with big, red, letters. If you want to have a conversation, fine. But if you're here for anything else, stop.
    Why are you mentioning her age? It's an irrelevant attack and is a logical fallacy. You're diminishing your own credibility. If you try this kind of thing at DHW you'll be gone in a day.

    If you force this one to get locked, it's nobody's fault but your own.
    I told that that is
    .

    If YOUR policy to forbid everything that not conveniently that is YOUR policy
    .
    As they say western "democracy" in operation... ? ? ?

    Akuul, I told you last time to stop posting threads with big, red, letters. If you want to have a conversation, fine.
    If you can't read, I'm just going to lock this again.



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    Re: The truth about nazis from Ukraine isn't pleasant?

    Post by Akuul on Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:14 am

    [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:If you can't read, I'm just going to lock this again.
    Excuse but at YOUR forum there are no letters of NATO painted by flags. or USA.
    It is necessary to YOU urgently will improve.
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    The subject can be closed.
    I don't see sense to communicate
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    I don't see sense to communicate in "wolf 3d community"


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    Re: The truth about nazis from Ukraine isn't pleasant?

    Post by Atina on Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:23 am

    You are 46, i guess still old enough to be brain-washed, communism huh.

    Russia caused and is causing a lot trouble. Fact is that while Ukraine was trying to fight for their freedom in voting and for democracy Russia used the situation and attacked, yeah attacked, Ukraine in a weak moment.

    Say whatever you want but i already see that you are blinded by propaganda and you not gonna let anyone say their opinion....

    One sided opinion with shout-spamming your "facts". That's not a discussion or anything.

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    Re: The truth about nazis from Ukraine isn't pleasant?

    Post by Akuul on Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:32 am

    [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:You are ..


    If you aren't able to read that I advise to visit school

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    The subject can be closed.
    I don't see sense to communicate
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    Re: The truth about nazis from Ukraine isn't pleasant?

    Post by Atina on Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:17 pm

    despite the fact that your sentences are kinda painful at times to read, i do read what you write, i just dont agree with you. And if you can't handle fact that people dont support your opinion maybe rather move to some nationalist forum instead of posting here?

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    Re: The truth about nazis from Ukraine isn't pleasant?

    Post by serpens on Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:03 pm

    Sigh. I don't like a legitimately interesting topic being reduced to this. What's going on in Ukraine is a clash of two different evils, but people often expect you to make a definite choice which condemns one side and sanctifies the other. Personally I'm afraid of both.

    Russia is being as aggressive and expansionist as possible while still retaining major influence on European politics. The Ukrainian nationalists, on the other hand, are very dangerous because of the legacy of their idol, Stepan Bandera. Bandera was a mortal enemy of my nation, and so are his modern followers. Besides, I've seen their parliament members assault a TV boss and force him to resign; dismal thuggery reminiscent of Sturmabteilung.

    The question is, which evil is the lesser one? I don't know. The nationalists appear to be too hard-headed to be reasoned with, but Russia is dangerous and unpredictable by its nature. There's simply no good choice here.

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    Post by Thomas on Tue Jul 08, 2014 3:38 pm

    I don't like the Stepan Bandera worshipping one bit. Those Ukrainian nationalists are indeed not getting their point across whatsoever, and calling them Nazis - is more or less the truth.

    My great grandfather escaped from the Lutz area when WWI broke out and settled up here in peaceful Scandinavia. Again it was two fronts that made it hard for the man on the street... It is the year 2014 now, 100 years on from WWI... Are we having another one on the rise?

    Said this before and I'll say it again - only 2 kinds of people have a say in this - Ukrainians and Russians. I am watching with NEUTRAL glasses and do NOT support the EU, NATO, the US or anybody. I understand Akuul's anger.

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    Post by Atina on Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:30 pm

    All of them are dangerous but Russia is one of the biggest forces and has more dangerous toys.

    Country x and people x shouldn't interact even if Russia took over one country after another next to it?
    Russia abused situation. Ukraine was fighting it's corrupted government to join EU (and drag it more down). Then Russia friendly visited Ukraine to "protect" them with military force. While Russia was enjoing coutryside in Ukraine they thought, oh so many russians live here in Krim, let's take it back...
    There are a lot polish people in UK. I think that UK should belong to Poland now. Also Germany should be renamed to Turkey 2.

    USA screwed Iraq and themselves with it but they could have also stayed out of WW2.

    Btw. hello 15 year old Akuul from Poland! Nice change to democracy after communism? =p

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    Post by serpens on Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:44 am

    [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Said this before and I'll say it again - only 2 kinds of people have a say in this - Ukrainians and Russians. I am watching with NEUTRAL glasses and do NOT support the EU, NATO, the US or anybody. I understand Akuul's anger.
    The nature of the Ukrainian nationalism makes it difficult to keep this an internal Ukraine - Russia matter in the long shot. They actually have territorial claims on Poland, and they might eventually try to go for those claims. Now Poland isn't suspended in a political vacuum, it's a member of EU and NATO who are bound to should react when another member state's territory is endangered in any way.

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    Post by Thomas on Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:41 am

    Hadn't though of it that way. Territorial claims in Poland! That's ridiculous! Especially since Brześć lies within Belarus and Lww within the Ukraine which were Polish since God-knows-when. I have no idea whether or not Belarus should be involved/worried too, as it's practically a composite of Poland, the Ukraine and Russia. Like the Ukraine, they're outside the EU and NATO and have close ties with Russia.

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    Re: The truth about nazis from Ukraine isn't pleasant?

    Post by ronwolf1705 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:11 am



    Also seek out some essays by Orwell or Chomsky on language and politics; kidnapping called detention is a classic example of that.



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    Re: The truth about nazis from Ukraine isn't pleasant?

    Post by Joshua on Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:26 am

    Nazism and genocide are not supported on here. Wolfenstein is a video game series about fighting against the Nazis. Russia during WWII was just as bad as the Nazis. Satan was corrupting both Hitler and Stalin. Satan took a similar approach as Darth Sidious did in Star Wars. Satan was using both the Allies and the Axis for his own evil deeds when it came to Germany and Russia during World War II.

    There is speculation about the plane that went down this week.People arethinking Russia did it. It could have been done on purpose or on accident. I am not sure. We do not know the whole story. I think Russia would be capable of this due to what went on in Ukraine. The USA is not really friends with Russia at this point.

    In Ezekiel 38, Gog and Magog are mentioned. Gog is probably the leader of Russia or is Russia. Magog could be Russia or it could be Iran. Glenn Beck was talking about this. Glenn Beck thinkgs that Gog is Russia and that Magog is Iran. I believe we will see Ezekiel 38 in our lifetime. Then after that, the rapture will happen. I am basing this on John Hagee's book and sermon on the Four Blood Moons. I need to get that book. The rapture may not happen in our lifetime. Christians do not know when it is going to happen. I think based on what is going on though, it is going to happen in our lifetime.

    People thought the same way about World War II though. Christians thought that Hitler was the Antichrist and they thought that World War II was going to be the last war on earth which was going to end with the battle of Armageddon.

    World War III being the war to end all wars make sense though, if Russia is Gog and starts a war, then this will cause the real Triad, the false trinity to surface. The false trinity is Satan, the Antichrist, and the False Prophet.

    Some Christians think Revelation has already happened.

    I do not believe that Revelation has already happened.

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    Post by ronwolf1705 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:15 pm



    There's a bit about Glen Beck in there, and I think it properly shows him for what he is. Just like the other Fox News hosts. And if Glen Beck truly thinks Russia is Gog, or whatever Teletubby it is, than he is a nut. Which he already was, and this only is another argument in favor of that.

    As for the plane, speculation is not that the Russians did it but that pro-Russian rebels did it. And even if they didn't, they have behaved dispicably around the scene: obstructing researchers there to seek evidence or obstructing the collecting of the bodies, going through personal belongings of the dead people, stealing bank cards, keeping journalists away etc. Really dispicable behaviour.

    And jpb, please keep the religion bullshit out of here. You're spouting nonsensical conspiracy theories based on the bible aka not based on anything remotely connected to the real world.



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    Post by Thomas on Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:35 pm

    This is one of those rare occurences that I have nightmares about. I mean I cannot get the image out of my head. It is probably the most pointless thing I've heard about in a long time.

    Again, I am not surprised that the "Donetsk People's Republic" or whatever short-lived, ignorant, pig-headed pointless piece of shit-region of Europe's armpit is playing with whatever little vodka-fueled muscles they have act like they do. I mean I really, really despise those people. Fuck the Don Republic or whatever it's called, I wish somebody would nuke the shit out of those ignorant little pro-"Russian" whatever people. Especially those with rifles keeping people away, stealing from bodies lying on the ground - 80 children for fuck's sake! But history shows, anyway, the whole area has had little or no respect for human lives. Ever. Look it up. They have no idea how to act in these circumstances. I don't know if it's a genetic thing (though I bet it is) or it's just plain stupidity. I wish Putin would man up and kick these people's asses, though I know it's hard - he, or some other corrupt Muscovite asshole probably supplied these stupid peasants with these sick missile weapons in the first place. Shit. You're Pro-Russian? Then move the fuck back over whatever line Stalin drew in 1940-something.

    Again I take no side in this Ukrainian civil war (which is more or less what it is) as both are extreme and utterly unimportant if not for the gas line or whatever - but this is the turning point, it's no longer between Ukrainians and sloppy, drunken sub-human Ivans in cheap camouflage uniforms with AK47 rifles from Mother Russia (where the fuck else?). We're talking about 300 people, almost. Good, civil, innocent Western European people, Malays, Australians, who had no interest or role in this pathetic show of arms that's going on over there. I mean, how long can this apathy carry on?! It breaks my heart. I mean I am really out of my head on this. And this is from a guy whose Tuesday afternoon cartoons got interrupted by 9/11 footage out of the blue.

    And jpb should just open a ministry somewhere in Pepsiville County or wherever and get the fuck over it already.

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    Post by Thomas on Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:53 pm

    AND BEFORE EVERYONE JUMPS TO CONCLUSION ABOUT ME AND MY VIEWS I have of course not forgotten about this I read about a few years back: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

    What I'm saying is that ANY dipshit whether Russian, American, European even can destroy anything. It's just plain wrong. This is a disaster area now. An International disaster area. The whole Ukrainian-ProRussian farce needs to bubble down while this is going on. That is simply not important in this instance IMO.

    P.S. The "Arab spring". What a crock.

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    Post by Guest on Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:36 pm

    @Thomas wrote:This is one of those rare occurences that I have nightmares about. I mean I cannot get the image out of my head. It is probably the most pointless thing I've heard about in a long time.

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    Again I take no side in this Ukrainian civil war (which is more or less what it is) as both are extreme and utterly unimportant if not for the gas line or whatever - but this is the turning point, it's no longer between Ukrainians and sloppy, drunken sub-human Ivans in cheap camouflage uniforms with AK47 rifles from Mother Russia (where the fuck else?). We're talking about 300 people, almost. Good, civil, innocent Western European people, Malays, Australians, who had no interest or role in this pathetic show of arms that's going on over there. I mean, how long can this apathy carry on?! It breaks my heart. I mean I am really out of my head on this. And this is from a guy whose Tuesday afternoon cartoons got interrupted by 9/11 footage out of the blue.

    I couldn't put it better, except I was playing Word Whomp on-line on 9/11. This is starting to sound like Cat's Cradle.

    Although I will add that here in Canada there is a significant number of people of Ukrainian heritage. Over 100K living here (I am not one)in Winnipeg (pop - around 700K) alone, which is obviously significant. I am surrounded by biased attitudes and people who lack proper or perhaps I should say verifiable information on regional politics and the conflict itself. It is too easy to find information that one wants to be fact then to bother verify that it is fact, especially if it proves one's point or helps justify a belief.

    I will have to go over the Gog/Magog references as I thought they dealt with adifferent era in regards to the future of the world. Perhaps I am forgetting something, but I thought the Holy land was involved. I don't see what that has to do with the current conflict in the Ukraine, but I do get the potential reference to Russia.

    Orwell should be mandatory reading (jmo) in school (I was asked to read 1984 & Animal Farm in grades 8 & 10). I just finished reading Homage to Catalonia and Down and Out in Paris and London - great stuff. Orwell gets me thinking (like Huxley and Vonnegut) and I love authors that have that effect Smile

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    jpb1991 wrote:... I am basing this on John Hagee's book...
    For those of you who don't know, John Hagee from Texas is the most rotten excuse for a preacher/televangelist I've ever seen. More sensible Christians can't stand him. JPB, I'm beginning to understand why in March or April you've confused the Christians on the Christian forum that you've typed on. 5 Stupid Things About John Hagee: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

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    Post by Thomas on Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:24 pm

    ack wrote:Orwell should be mandatory reading (jmo) in school (I was asked to read 1984 & Animal Farm in grades 8 & 10). I just finished reading Homage to Catalonia and Down and Out in Paris and London - great stuff. Orwell gets me thinking (like Huxley and Vonnegut) and I love authors that have that effect Smile

    Nineteen Eighty-Four is one of those rare books I can read more than once. Each time I notice new details. And each time it sends a shiver down my spine... Of course, we are (for now) free to do as we please, mostly, but... I don't know how they did it. And when I say "they" I of course mean Orwell, but I also mean Aldous Huxley. H.G. Wells. People from the turn of the century/mid-1900's who more or less accurately predicted more or less a little bit of what we're heading towards.

    Brave New World, of course, really hits the nail on the head for me. An absolutely thrilling and spine-tinkling book.

    There's another book of same caliber called "We" written by Russian expatriate Yevgeny Zamyatin. It was written in 1921 or something like that. Imagine a real-life integer-fascist Facebook society. That's what it is. Unbelievable. Not too long, that one though. Max 200 pages. Still a good and mind-boggling read.

    Philip K. Dick is another one. I still have The Man in the High Castle lying around. Haven't been through it yet though...

    P.S. (& I never do this) forgive my relentless cursing in my first post. I am just so frustrated about the whole thing.

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    Post by Joshua on Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:14 pm

    I feel this conflict with Russia now will lead into the Magog and Gog war. It is interesting that in 24 Live Another Day, Jack Bauer got handed over to the Russians in the series finale which was broadcast on the same week that this real life incident happened. It is a coincidence obviously.

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    Re: The truth about nazis from Ukraine isn't pleasant?

    Post by doomjedi on Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:50 am

    It's amazing for me someone actually believes in Gog and Magog prophecy.
    If it's a prophecy - it's sure can only be a self-furfilling one...of people who believe it and so...create it.
    This type of ancient writing is not new to the Bible...
    Not to mention there is NO proven Bible prophecy happened EVER, and all that "did" - are "fake prophecy" written backwards AFTER the time "so called phophecy" already "furfilled", addressing it as prohecy to some ancient king of prophet.


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    Post by stathmk on Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:26 am

    [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:It's amazing for me someone actually believes in Gog and Magog prophecy.
    If it's a prophecy - it's sure can only be a self-furfilling one...of people who pelieve it and so...create it.
    This type of ancient writing is not new to the Bible...
    Not to mention there is NO proven Bible prophecy happened EVER, and all that "did" - are "fake prophecy" written backwards AFTER the time "so called phophecy" already "furfilled", addressing it as prohecy to some ancient king of prophet.
    You are correct. Daniel, for instance, was written 490 years after the events it pretended to predict. Revelation was written in about the year 95 and it has encoded events from the 60s AD and 70s AD that it pretended to predict. If dreams aren't real, then how can somebody take the dreams of John of Patmos, Daniel, or The Old Testament Joseph literally or seriously?

    Speaking of prophets, there was Nostradamus of France, but you might call him Michel De Notre Dame. I think he's more famous in France and America. None of his 1200 predictions came true except for the inane ones. You can't just predict that the Sun will Rise tomorrow. Nostradamus predicted that the Danube River would flood, but so what? The Danube floods about every 3 years.

    An American author that I don't like printed a book in the 1980s that Ayatolla Khomeini of Iran is the Anti-Christ. Then in the next edition, he instead put in that Saddam Hussein is the Anti-Christ. Changing your mind about that big of a detail isn't kosher or appropriate. I'm surprised that almost nobody pays closer attention and calls Joseph Stalin, Mao Tse-Tung, or Ghenghis Khan anti-Christs because they killed more people than Hitler.

    If anybody meets a Muslim soon, then ask them about Gog and Magog because they have a different concept of Gog and Magog. We're not Muslims. Islam is an Abrahamic Faith with a grandfather on the ark of animals in a flood, Musa (Moses), Doud (David), Maryam (Mary), Esa (Jesus), and a different concept of Gog and Magog.

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