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    You approve NATO intervention...?

    Post by Akuul on Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:54 am

    You approve NATO intervention in internal affairs of the independent state?
    For example Libya. In this country it is possible to name an event attempt of overthrow of legitimate authority by means of armed forces of the various states.
    And there can be we see an example of the state terrorism for the sake of new repartition of the world?

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    Re: You approve NATO intervention...?

    Post by Dark_wizzie on Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:21 am

    NATO was not made originally for this, anyways. I'm not sure on yes or a no for this question. BUT if people go in to Libya, the campaign must be fast and efficient. None of this slow crap. Get in, get it done, get out.



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    Re: You approve NATO intervention...?

    Post by Thomas on Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:56 am

    I agree with Dark_wizzie. Get in, get it done, get out. Glad we've got NATO. If not, I'd probably be stranded in some shitty Soviet Socialist republic now. Laughing

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    Re: You approve NATO intervention...?

    Post by Akuul on Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:34 am

    @Dark_wizzie wrote:NATO was not made originally for this .. BUT if people go in to Libya ... Get in, get it done, get out.
    @Thomas wrote:I agree with Dark_wizzie .. Get in, get it done, get out .. Glad we've got NATO..

    If to look at war in Afghanistan, Iraq at that NATO can enter (Get in) and remain only complicating situations in region. Now flying the flag pseudo democracies of the NATO has launched war in the North Africa. It look so as if the European states and the USA want to launch war with all Arabian world. Whether it is possible to name such policy clever? What will Europe do for example when the stream of emigrants from Egypt, Algeria, Syria, Lebanon will rush? As far as I know in some European cities already there are whole Arabian quarters. For example in Paris there are places where any more don't speak on French... By the way you know that after the NATO have divided Yugoslavia traffic of narcotic substances has increased. By various estimations, the Albanian mafia supervises about 75 % of percent of the heroin arriving on the West European narcomarket, and to half of cumulative quantity of the heroin sold in the USA. The Albanian narco-cartel "Camilla" is included into the five of the strongest narco-cartels of the world. For heroin deliveries to Europe answer about 30 Albanian narco-clans, each of which supervises "the" site of the narco-traffic. The similar occurs and in Afghanistan. Funny? Twice ridiculously to read articles about that that pseudo revolutionaries in Libya resell the weapon. It will be interesting that further?

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    Post by Thomas on Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:03 am

    @Akuul wrote:
    @Dark_wizzie wrote:NATO was not made originally for this .. BUT if people go in to Libya ... Get in, get it done, get out.
    @Thomas wrote:I agree with Dark_wizzie .. Get in, get it done, get out .. Glad we've got NATO..

    If to look at war in Afghanistan, Iraq at that NATO can enter (Get in) and remain only complicating situations in region. Now flying the flag pseudo democracies of the NATO has launched war in the North Africa. It look so as if the European states and the USA want to launch war with all Arabian world. Whether it is possible to name such policy clever? What will Europe do for example when the stream of emigrants from Egypt, Algeria, Syria, Lebanon will rush? As far as I know in some European cities already there are whole Arabian quarters. For example in Paris there are places where any more don't speak on French... By the way you know that after the NATO have divided Yugoslavia traffic of narcotic substances has increased. By various estimations, the Albanian mafia supervises about 75 % of percent of the heroin arriving on the West European narcomarket, and to half of cumulative quantity of the heroin sold in the USA. The Albanian narco-cartel "Camilla" is included into the five of the strongest narco-cartels of the world. For heroin deliveries to Europe answer about 30 Albanian narco-clans, each of which supervises "the" site of the narco-traffic. The similar occurs and in Afghanistan. Funny? Twice ridiculously to read articles about that that pseudo revolutionaries in Libya resell the weapon. It will be interesting that further?
    I don't know. I do live with the consequences of the free world, in that tons of immigrants arrive. The trouble is, that they don't adjust to the Western society, and they still carry their sick Islam with them like a chain around their neck. That is a huge problem. I do hope that these wars and "revolutions" in the Muslim world will result in a stable environment, that doesn't make people escape - but rather return. Laughing

    I guess there are some people who just can't obtain democracy and peaceful values. North Africa, the Muslim World and Asia even (The only reason China and Russia didn't intervene is because they're afraid that the rest of the world officially will find out how extremely corrupt and evil their leaders are, in the long run). I'm not saying everything the NATO does is good or justifiable - but it's a hell of a lot better than just sit and wait for the next 9/11.

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    Re: You approve NATO intervention...?

    Post by Akuul on Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:39 am

    @Thomas wrote:I don't know. I do live with the consequences of the free world, in that tons of immigrants arrive. The trouble is, that they don't adjust to the Western society, and they still carry their sick Islam with them like a chain around their neck. That is a huge problem. I do hope that these wars and "revolutions" in the Muslim world will result in a stable environment, that doesn't make people escape - but rather return. Laughing I guess there are some people who just can't obtain democracy and peaceful values. North Africa, the Muslim World and Asia even..
    I think with Africa all it will be more difficult. From Iraq or Afghanistan to people to run not where. And here at continent near to Europe the choice is. If to assume that the armed opposition will seize power in the north of Africa. The new states can stop a stream of emigrants which will want to leave to Europe the central regions of Africa? Or again it will be necessary to ask the help that now the West protected "democracy" borders created by means of the NATO.
    There is other problem. About it spoke in mass media. During excitements in Egypt two leaders professing radical Islam home have returned. They are held in respect, they are popular.. and they can come to the power.. and will be even worse than was before "revolutions"..
    @Thomas wrote:..The only reason China and Russia didn't intervene is because they're afraid that the rest of the world officially will find out how extremely corrupt and evil their leaders are, in the long run..
    Many countries have occupied a waiting attitude. Unfortunately. China is almost separate "planet". Russia? In this country many people go on elections being afraid of changes.

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    Re: You approve NATO intervention...?

    Post by Akuul on Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:25 pm

    On materials of mass media
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    Colonel Muammar Kaddafi has appeared a tough nut, on it Arabian "domino effect" doesn't extend yet. Military operations between the governmental army and insurgents were at a deadlock. Attempt of rebels to take Tripoli has "hurriedly failed in February, in the beginning of civil war. Though then, in the first days of mutiny, the Arabian and European TV channels in the victorious reports created at world community full confidence that the mode of Kaddafi just about will go on a garbage heap of history after modes Ben Ali and Mubaraka. Cities one after another got under control risen, military men ostensibly passed to the revolution party, the front line came nearer to capital. It was informed that for Kaddafi mercenaries from Chad battle only, and it whether already in Venezuela, whether just about there will go. However it was found out that all not so is simple. On streets Tripoli and other cities of the western part of Libya there were fanatical crowds with portraits of the colonel and green banners of Dzhamahirii, and the Libyan army (which as it was found out, hasn't run up anywhere) has passed in counterattack. The front has swept from Tripoli back, to Bengasi and if not begun NATO bombardments, revolt would be crushed by tanks Kaddafi.
    But the massed support from air though has rescued insurgents from defeat, hasn't helped them to return the initiative on fields of battles. Army Kaddafi, having cleaned from front the most part of the vulnerable armor for the western planes, has changed on armed зенитками and mortars jeeps, has generated mobile operative groups and has continued war with former diligence.
    Absolutely confused pilots of the western Air Forces hardly distinguish automobile groups of soldiers Kaddafi being under them and rebels. Cases of "friendly fire" when the aircraft covers with bombing attacks of insurgents have become frequent, strengthening a panic in them and without that undisciplined numbers. Army Kaddafi battles to the big sharpness, constantly applies the new tactical receptions adequate to the changing situation. The colonel has appeared an artful fox of desert, simultaneously flexible and courageous. Besides talented military men it has one more serious trump real support of broad masses in the western part of Libya, first of all in Tripoli. And this fact tries to ignore the West. Americans and West Europeans at deadlock. They were involved in adventure the exit from which isn't present. To leave Kaddafi alone, to withdraw the planes and to allow the Libyan army to drown revolt in blood a thing absolutely inconceivable. Money it is spent much late to recede. No arms supplies to insurgents will approach them to a victory on meter. Peaceful settlement prospects in Libya any. The country can break up into separate parts, to become similar to Somalia. If Kaddafi push aside in the desert, leading force in region will be "al Kaide" which and without that, owning considerable arms, has received also that was in numerous military warehouses. If Kaddafi destroy, it too won't solve a problem. It has children, and they are popular enough in the people. Besides under a gun at the disgraced leader are ten thousand persons. In the first weeks it has been lost, but now has gathered and successfully enough conducts military operations against insurgents. And if not the NATO, it would suppress for a long time already mutiny. (с)
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    Other article which has been printed in the newspaper "The Guardian" - These humanitarians come to Libya with missiles, and an agenda
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/apr/19/libya-nato-civil-war-cameron

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